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#92 - Paul & Danny - What Vegas Taught Us About BJJ Formats, Brazilian Taps and Resort Fees
We return from Vegas with strong views on CJI formats, a fair take on the Taylor vs Bodoni controversy, and a blueprint for training that actually sticks. Between The Sphere, VR ledges, and resort fees, we also map why rotating events could grow jiu-jitsu faster and fairer.
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Alright, we're back, back in the studio. Been a while. I know, mate. Hey, how you been? What's been happening? Globe trotting, mate, haven't we? Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Vegas, I'm back. Yeah. Just settled back in really. Yeah. It's been uh it's been a wild couple of couple of weeks really.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, apparently we got spotted a couple of times uh pit side at CJI, mate. Yeah, my big fucking melon, mate as well. Just by pure luck ended up sitting next to some random guy called John. Yeah, John McPhee, the legend. Yeah, it turns out he's uh he's a somebody in the States.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, mate, everyone like Yeah, everyone's coming up saying alright to him, aren't they? Yeah, yeah, it's Sheriff of Baghdad, mate.
SPEAKER_02:That's it. Have you listened to his podcast yet? Uh bits of it. On Joe Rogan's. No, I listened to the one that he did before that with the SEAL guy. I've not listened to that.
SPEAKER_00:Is it good?
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, yeah. I think it's arguably better because it was the one that Rogan was like that what Rogan watched it and then got him on and was referencing it quite a lot.
unknown:Alright, okay.
SPEAKER_02:Mate, it's mad because obviously he came over with a pit side. I'm nervous as fucking away because I hate being like front and centre. I'll just soak it up, mate. Yeah, and uh yeah, I was waiting to see who came next to us, and so I'm like, Oh dude, just come by. I'm John less than me, I had no clue who he was. Sits down, like you say, like people just kept coming over. And now I've watched the podcast, man. I'm like, Jesus Christ, the guy's a maniac.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, but he's so nice. Like, I think I didn't know who he was, but we were just chatting jujitsu, yeah, and we was getting on really well. Yeah, he was just like a really sound bloke to me. Like I was just like, oh yeah, get on with him, it's nice. And then he um yeah, he kind of like he kind of dropped that he was the sheriff of Baghdad at one point in the conversation. I kind of like brushed it off. I was like, oh cool, mate. Like you know what I mean. Like, and then I recognised the other guy as well, yeah. Uh Spencer, yeah, yeah. And I didn't know, like, and again, it turns out he's made you off the hills and he's like stupidly famous, yeah, whatever else. And it's just yeah, it was funny.
SPEAKER_01:It's it was it was a real cool, well, cool experience, mate. Yeah, what did you think of the event?
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, it was good. First day was shite, second day was like really good, second day was like ten times better, mate. Yeah, but do you know what annoys me? Like, he had it he had to give them all like a 50 grand bonus when they're like fighting for a meal. I just I just I understand it, but at the same time, it's like it's an opportunity, in it. Some of those people only fought once for six or for eight minutes. Like, just send it, just send it.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, I just think like before the event I was really excited about the quintet format, but like evidently now it maybe wasn't the best format because it's just other than weight classes, mate.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, they should have just kept the weight classes like Ayuga did, and Ayuga was class, yeah. So if they had just kept that, it would have been it would have been even better, you know. Because I would have liked to have seen like Owen Jones, you know, fight all the lads is his same weight, you know, and like it was like in your head, it's like oh yeah, him fighting uh Kanan, oh is it is it gonna be good? Could he catch him? Could he realistically it's just the the way kinda's massive mate? Like it's just and again it it makes for a shit matchup a lot of the time because like when we spoke to Declan after I spoke to Declan up at the top, and he was saying, like, when he was fighting Ethan, he was like, they're just like it's so hard to pass their guard because they're just like curl up in a little ball, there's no space, and you can't like open them out, so he's like it just frustrates them. So it's it it just makes for a shit matchup for both both people, yeah, because it's such a big size and weight gap. It's it's just like they're they're good, obviously, at with their guards, and they can curl up in a ball in that and whatever else, but realistically, they're not trying to catch him with anything, they're just trying to survive. And at that level, jujitsu, most people can survive, can they? Yeah, they're that good, they can just survive, you know what I mean? So, yeah, it kind of ruined it a little bit. I'd have liked again, I would like to see Declan like against some of the big boys. He's gonna tear, in he? Like, yeah, I would have liked to see he could have like made a bit of a name for himself.
SPEAKER_02:Well, I'd love to have seen the rematch against Kaynan.
SPEAKER_00:No, that's what I mean, and it's like it's yeah, I think it's just a missed missed opportunity for some of them, you know what I mean? Like, hopefully, if they do it again, like the next one, they could do it in the same format, but but I think they just do weight classes, but I think they'll just go back to the original if they do it again.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, you think? I think so, yeah. Yeah, I think just yeah, as they did before, just like weight divisions, like might maybe broadweight divisions like we had last time, but but yeah, I think 66 against like heavyweights is just yeah, yeah, bit shit. Yeah, what was uh what was your thoughts on uh Taylor against Badoni?
SPEAKER_00:Trying to get me in trouble, didn't you?
SPEAKER_01:Straight away. I joked about it with Badoni and he didn't appreciate it. No, mate, I was like, oh, I can't believe you just said that to him. He was just like, come on, the fuck off. Yeah, no, it's funny, but he knows it's a joke.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, I think I think the thing, because we obviously had a conversation about it in the casino afterwards, but I think clearly, like, I think we obviously interviewed Badoni, he seems like it's like definitely a stand-up guy. Yeah, and and based and definitely from that reaction to you when you commented, clearly he didn't tap. Like, no way did he tap, but that doesn't mean that if he continued to go, whether his leg would have broken, and then he would have tapped. So I think that's the that's the debate, and that's kind of what you were saying before, right?
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, I was just saying from from Taylor's reap when he when he came over, like that ratchet is that ratchet's tighter as you move. So like he had his heel locked in, and I'm not saying I don't actually think Badoni did tap at that time, but another 10 seconds, five seconds, Taylor's just gonna rip it. It's it you know, is he good like we were having this argument of like yeah, he he he you know he trains the best leg lockers in the world, he's a really good leg locker himself. But if you put anyone in that position and be like, right, I've got your heels start from here, that someone like Taylor as well, who is literally probably top five best leg lockers in the world, would you say?
SPEAKER_02:Definitely up there, I think.
SPEAKER_00:Like, is he gonna is he not gonna finish that? I just I just I'd be I would have been so surprised if he had if he had not finished that from that position. That's that's all I'm saying. Like whether you tap then or maybe tapped in ten seconds, like he was he was so far deep into the entanglement. I I don't see him getting out. That was it. And uh we we was having a faux argument about this, and I was like, I'll show you get upstairs in the room and put it in the room.
SPEAKER_01:I was like, I'll show you, I'll put you in it and see if you can get out of it.
SPEAKER_00:And then but it's it's yeah, it's like like Taylor finished everyone like trials with that sort of stuff, and yeah, it's just and it's a shame because it would have been good for Taylor and um well, just good for the for the whole event if it wasn't controversial, yeah. You know what I mean? If it just waited that little bit longer, but I see, but at the same time, I see why like when I first watched it, I thought he tapped. I thought he tapped, like we were right behind it. Like, I was like, he's he's fucking tapped, right? Um but when you watch it back, you can see he's like kind of posting, and that's all it was. He like kind of posted his hand. Um, but one of the it it it is difficult, it is difficult. Geo's mate, by the way. Geo's was definitely a tap. You don't you but but but you don't do that, yeah. But you don't do that. Whether he can't contacted, yeah, because he's you gotta remember as well, he's tapping behind him, so he doesn't know exactly where his leg is. Yeah, so even if you were gesturing three times, like regardless, that that was a completely different situation.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, 100%. Like he like that was different because he he literally didn't tap, like literally didn't tap, he didn't touch him. You could see it from the side angle, but you're just right, he gestured, gestured to tap, and and you might be right, he was like looking for it, yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, that's what I mean. It's like he doesn't know exactly where his leg is, but I know you know, you wouldn't do that unless you wanted to tap, and as well, like it was fully locked in, mate. It was fully locked in. Like the the referees can't take a chance on that, you know. If they if they take a chance on that, they broke their leg and maybe ended his career. Well, even though it's the end of his career, but you know what I mean. You don't want serious injury, and the ref then is in trouble, yeah. So yeah, but I don't know, the whole situation, mate, was a bit it was fun, it was controversy. Yeah, it's like I feel sorry for both of them though. I feel sorry for Badoni, because he you you know you speak to him now, he's adamant he wouldn't tap if he didn't tap, yeah. And then Taylor, it's kind of like um it's taken away his glory a little bit, hasn't it? Yeah, he's still done it, but yeah, it's taken away his glory a little bit.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, I think I think Taylor's just so nice, like a hint of a tap, like he's letting go, you know what I mean? Is it and it's a shame because if he just hung on to it, like you say, he could have maybe got a genuine clear win, you know what I mean? But yeah, but yeah, but I think because the first day was quite flat, it kind of those two things made for like a little bit of action, yeah. And then the second day was much better, especially with obviously the final and stuff. It was a really good atmosphere. And the event, like fair play to Seth and Craig and the team because the event was like really well run. Oh, it was amazing, and it was a great atmosphere when we were there, yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Then and they done so well, and like you know, it I think like the way they set it up and I think what they offer people is like huge, like nothing else really rivals it. Yeah, and um, yeah, hopefully they do it again because it'll be uh it was so good when I make it Vegas as a city. It's fucking yeah, it's cool, it's weird, but cool. It's expensive, yeah. Yeah, you know, it's expensive. Anyone planning to go there, like save your save your pennies. Expensive.
SPEAKER_02:Well, I think um the ABCC worlds next year, it's in Poland now, isn't it?
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, I've seen they've moved it.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, so they've they've fucked off Vegas, mate. I'm tempted. I know I say I wouldn't go on a big trip again, but I'm tempted to do that because Poland would be a good one. Yeah, yeah. Poland's Poland's great. Yeah, I'd go to Poland. Yeah, I think we should look at that, mate.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, I think Poland will be um I think it's good. I think they should move it around. I think they should generally. I think it's good for everyone. It's like it's like the fucking Olympics, isn't it? You know, they they move it every time. And it's gives uh gives other people to showcase what they're about, you know.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, I think hopefully if uh if Poland's a success, which I'm sure it will be, they'll just they'll keep it on the road then, mate. So that'd be cool. Might see you back in the UK at some point, you never know. Back back in Nottingham. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:No, but they could though, and I think yeah, I think that's better for the sport, I think it's better for like everyone, really. Like again, Vegas is great, but like I said, it's so expensive. They price probably so many people out of actually watching the event because of the price of going there. You know what I mean? Like we got ripped off every chance you could get going to Vegas.
SPEAKER_02:Even the hotel mate with the uh with the security deposit, they just never gave back.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, they were like they were like, Yeah, you it's$400 deposit, and you get all of that back, and then we go okay, they they just didn't give it back. Yeah, and then and then you you I've emailed them, and it's like nothing. Yeah, like they're like, No, sorry, yeah, it's in your contract that you would lose that deposit. And I'm like, the woman at the desk told us like so they got eight hundred dollars out of us for nothing.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, well, it was it was the resort fees, wasn't it? So I think I think like I think a hundred dollars was a security deposit and three hundred dollars was a resort fees, and she just lumped it together as four hundred and said we'll get it back.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, it's fucking mental, mate. It is mental. He's fucking shit scared to touch anything in the in the room, and yeah. Oh mate, yeah. Pick up a bag of peanuts,$65.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, just just in case you don't know, when you when you stay in Vegas, the the fridges and they're like uh they're kind of like the the display of food that's there is weighted. So if you even move it, they charge you a fee to put it back and it's like$65.
SPEAKER_00:$65, yeah. It says on the on the ticket if you move this at$65. You might as well fucking eat it. Yeah, I don't know how much it would be if you had it,$100,000.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, but they probably charge you for putting it back and then the price, yeah. Yeah, so it probably would be$100, mate, for a packet of MMs.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, and like I said, Vegas is great, but if you're if you're just a normal working person, it's it's extortionate, you know.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, and yeah, we didn't indulge too much, like no, no cocaine, no strip clubs, like two, three beers a day. Yeah, we would we were dull as fuck, yeah, and it still cost fucking loads, yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Very little gambling, yeah. Yeah, and it still cost yeah a fortune. But yeah, no, it was really good. It was it was really good, a great experience, and um yeah, but I think like moving it around, especially even CJR, I'd be buzzing if they moved that around. Yeah, even for like even the next one, they move it to like a different part of America, yeah. Like that'd be cool. So then if we go out again, it's like seeing a different part of America, you know.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, how good was the sphere, mate?
SPEAKER_00:Oh, the sphere is ridiculous. I'm a chase and status fan though.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, mate, it was oh mate. I just it reminded me when I went to the pyramids, like in the sense that you see it and you're like, oh, that looks pretty big and cool. But when you get you're like, fuck, it's so much bigger and so more so much more grand than I realised.
SPEAKER_00:Mate, it was outrageously good. Yeah, you know, it was outrageously good. Like when you when you think of uh when I when I show people a video of it, it doesn't even do anywhere near enough justice to what it actually is. Like I couldn't explain like those like little mechanical butterfly things that were like just floating around the air, and I was so confused by it. I was like, how are they just floating around? But yeah, it was it was it was amazing, mate. Like anyone who goes to Vegas has got to go to the sphere. It's like it is like the best thing in Vegas, yeah. No matter what you watch. I'd I'd have gone and watched fucking Wizard of Oz, mate, if if if uh Tomorrowland wasn't on.
SPEAKER_02:Mate, you say that though, I uh I watched some of the videos of it, just some clips of Wizard of Oz. I bet it's amazing, yeah. Mate, well the the sphere, obviously, our experience it was mostly about the music and like the the display. Obviously, there was the the butterflies, but it's obviously 4D. So the Wizard of Oz one, they were spraying them with water and stuff, and mate, there's a scene where um they like shake an apple tree or something, right? I don't really know the story too well, but they shake an apple tree. So on the screen, the sphere they've got this massive apple tree and they're shaking it, and they dropped all of these fucking foam apples out of the ceiling onto people. It's all it rained down all these actual apples, mate. That's the experience there, it's incredible.
SPEAKER_00:It is it is crazy. It feels like a future, yeah. Does that make sense? It feels like like peering into the future a little bit, it feels like fucking Star Trek, mate. Yeah, it's really good.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, and I think the highlight though for me, mate, was the VR experience and seeing you scared to walk across a roof that was actually on a floor.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, that was pretty good. But that was that was really good fun. What's it called again? VR latency or something like that. Yeah, I don't know. Basically, it was a big VR room, and I don't know if we have this in UK, but it's a big VR room, and then you just added like a zombie game, but you had to like walk out onto a ledge and around the corner, and I was yeah, it feels like you're actually walking out onto a fucking ledge and shit my pants, and then the zombies when the zombies come, it is class. Yeah, we spent we spent way too much money on that.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, it was worth it all mate. Yeah, I mean, obviously, CJI was amazing, the sphere was amazing, but I think when we did the VR, that was the thing that we walked out of, like most excited about.
SPEAKER_00:So good, wasn't it? Imagine I have one of them at home, it'd be sick.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, mate, that's that's the new uh home cinema, I think. Yeah, VR room. Yeah, it's really good. It was really good.
SPEAKER_00:Um, but yeah, no, the experience all in all was it was amazing, and I think like you know, I think if they continue to push jujitsu like that, it's gonna only go one way. The only thing is is with UFC coming, I think I feel like it's gonna be a a shift in the tide personally. I think they'll just start snapping up more and more athletes now because over the weight divisions, and then it'll be like the regular UFC jujitsu.
SPEAKER_02:But we'll see. Yeah, it'd be interesting, man. I think like the UFC at the moment, you've obviously got a few like big names in there, but I think I mean I watched the one recently, and like for the most part, I think I just skipped through, and there was like there was Andy Varela, um, there was obviously Mikey in the final, but or in the the the the main event, but other than that, I was like, I don't know who these people are, you know what I mean?
SPEAKER_00:And that's what I mean. I think they'll just start snapping them up. Like Mason Fowler was talking about it the other day, like he's been in jiu-jitsu for so long, and he's earned no money, and then finally he's got a contract where he's gonna guarantee to earn a certain amount of money, yeah, and he's like, I'm not gonna mess this up for anything, and I think that's what will happen is they'll end up signing these guys on half decent contracts, and then they'll just they'll want to protect that. And I don't blame them though, I don't blame them because like even you look at like CGI, it's great, you know, but most people only walked away with 10 grand, which is still not bad money, don't get me wrong. But 10 grand compared to like what they're probably getting at UFC, you know, it's it's huge, in it, you know.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, I I don't know what the the the the money's like, mate, because even like the MMA guys, I know like when they're low level in the rankings, like they're not earning a huge amount, mate. You're talking, I don't know what it is these days, but per fight is not going to be more than probably I know back in the day, like even Nate Diaz was on like I think like something ridiculous, like seven, seven, so seven show and then seven win. You know what I mean? And that's the MMA guy. So I wouldn't be surprised, mate, if the like with a lot of sport, I guess, it's just the nature of the.
SPEAKER_00:Even if they pay them like 10 grand to fight, yeah, but they're able to fight six to ten times a year. They won't fight that often though, I don't think. Are they? Now they are. Are they? Yeah, yeah, that's what they're doing. They're like making sure that they're super active. Okay. So each show they're gonna try and get like a couple of wake divisions done because they can rack them in, can't they? Like, I guess, but as the roster grows though, like there's only so many people you can fit on a show. Yeah, but I wonder about at the moment, that's what they've promised them. I know Mason was talking about that. They that he's gonna be that he'll be pretty active now for the next year, say. But even if he's getting 10 grand, he's getting 100 grand this year, which is fucking huge for a jiu jitsu cruise.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, yeah. And I guess as always, mate, one of the biggest earners is gonna be like instructionals and seminars, and it's not gonna do that any harm, is it?
SPEAKER_00:No, exactly. Yeah, they'll just get more exposure. Yeah, you know, you look at like you said, like I said about getting Andy Varela on a little while ago, and you didn't want too sure who he was. Now you watch UFC and you're like, oh yeah, I know who he is. So it gives them that immediate exposure to people that they probably people didn't know who they were before, yeah. So yeah, it is good, but it it's just gonna change, isn't it?
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, it's just gonna change. I like that it's uh I like that it's on YouTube at the moment as well. That's cool. I mean that will probably change at some point, but it's nice just a bit of hop on there and watch it for free.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, yeah, I think it will change, will it? Once it gets bigger, yeah, we'll just do the PPV.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, but it's good. I mean, this is where they've obviously followed like Craig's thinking, where it's like let people see it, you know. And obviously, with with the UFC being quite a big channel as well, they will get some ad revenue, you know what I mean? So and you'll still get like you'll still get sponsors, like actually UFC indoor sponsors that they'll put on the show. So, you know, they'll still make money from it, they'll probably still cover their costs, um, especially because they've got the apex and not actually hiring a venue, yeah.
SPEAKER_00:And as well, they're they're just gonna grow it, aren't they? They're just gonna grow the sport. Like Dana loves jiu-jitsu, like most people who do jujitsu love it. Yeah, so I think that's many people that would do it.
SPEAKER_02:It's just yeah, I think like jujitsu was what got him and the fatitas into like the whole thing in the first place, wasn't it? I think and apparently, I don't know if this is true, someone can correct me in the comments, but I'm pretty sure I heard Dana say once that they they had a they had a clause in their contract, the Fajita brothers, that if they couldn't agree on something, they'd have a jiu-jitsu match, and whoever won got like the final decision. I'm sure that's a thing. So, yeah, so we're obviously big fans, so it's cool to see them pushing it.
SPEAKER_00:No, that's really good.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, how's your training been since you've been back?
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, I've been smashing it, mate. I've been uh I got ill for a week, but other than that, training training daily on the grind, a little bit more than me, then yeah. Yeah, well, you never trained, mate. No way, I've been busy though. I'll be back, I'll be back. Yeah, nah, it's same mode for me, mate. I'm just um yeah, just working on guard passing, guard retention and pins. That's it. I think uh speaking to all these people all the time and listening to what they say. I think uh jujitsu's obviously super complex, but you can also just make it really simple. And I think if you get really good at guard retention, guard passing and pinning, most of the most of the rest of it is uh is fucking irrelevant. So I just work on those things pretty much every day. I just uh put myself, sit on my ass, work on my guard, yeah, and then just work on my passing.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, what's your approach to training been recently? Um you come full eco or you drilling, what you're doing?
SPEAKER_00:Nah, so I I'm I'm well we're leaning more towards eco, but like I said to you off air, it's it's not um I don't know if it's full eco, you know? Yeah it's like it's eco with tips, you know what I mean? So I don't know if Greg would agree with that, but uh we seem to be enjoying it like uh basically like just giving constraints all the time. So you're only allowed to do certain things and we're only allowed to hunt for certain submissions, or uh only allowed to uh start from certain positions and you know this is an endpoint. We're just working on those things over and over. Um it's again, I d I don't think there's a right or a wrong answer for jujitsu and how to approach it in learning. The only yeah, the only thing I'd say is that I enjoy it more. So that makes me want to train more, and that's probably the bottom line of it. It's yeah, the more I enjoy jujitsu, the more I want to train, the fitter I get, the better I get. So that's all I ever feel. So maybe specific techniques um from barambolos or some sort of like crab rides or I don't know, some maybe leg entanglements or something that I'm not drilling regularly enough. I feel like I'm making up an actual positional dominance. So I don't know what's right or wrong, but that's that's kind of uh where I'm at.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, yeah. I've kind of taken a similar approach to my coaching, I think, at the moment. I like kind of do eco, but I'm not good enough at it to be all in. But I said to you earlier that I do, I was just like teaching technique last night, just covering a few bits but still getting the guys to work in in certain sort of like nuances and stuff, and they seem to enjoy it. They they enjoy like the the amount of like work that they're doing and that they're straight into it pretty much, yeah. But showing them a little detail of the technique, we're not like spending too long on it, but just a little something, and then putting back into like a scenario with that with that knowledge seems uh to be quite a nice blend, and I enjoy it as well. Yeah from a coaching standpoint.
SPEAKER_00:I like to give people um like when I'm teaching, I I like to give people like, oh, we're gonna start with this game, and then I just not demo it, but I'll I'll show them like I'll be like, oh, this is my thought process, and this is what I'm trying to achieve rather than like do this, do this, do this. I try and go, right, this is where my brain is at when I'm trying to pass their guide or where I'm trying to retain my guide, and this is what I'm trying not to let them do, and then I'm like go, and then at the end of like the six minutes, I'll do like three minutes, someone on top, someone on bottom, something like that, swap over, and then I'll be like, Oh, like what were you really struggling with? And then not like again, I don't go through specific technique with them to stop that, but I I try and get them to understand why something's happening. So if like someone's smashing them with a knee cut, like understanding like why they're able to pass you with a knee cut and what you're doing wrong to to let them do that, and then working from that so they understand like the concepts as more than the actual technique because I think that's way more important, yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, I completely agree. I think that's um you know, even with the the sort of techniques that I show, I I I frame it in a very similar way, yeah. Whereas like this works for me, but this is actually what I'm just trying to achieve. Like, however, you get there is fine. Like the other day we were doing um arm triangle and one of the one of the guys like took his. I always keep my knee on the lap when I finish an arm triangle. And a guy like tuck his knee off and almost like circle around almost like a like a weird like clock choke type thing. Um, and he got the tap, so I was like, Cool man, it works, it's fine. But what you may find against a better guy is he'll he'll bridge hard the other way, yeah, and it'll he'll pop the arm. So um maybe think about keeping the knee on because that controls him a little bit better, you know. So like frame it in that way, and that seems to work quite well.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, yeah. I think like you've just got to give again with jujitsu, everyone's body type and brain is different, so things that work for you don't work for me, and vice versa. And I think that's really important. I think you've got to like express yourself, like you've got to find your own way of doing stuff. There's a correct technique, of course there is, but it doesn't work the same for everyone, and I think that's where Greg's eco stuff is like really fun as well. Like, you can you can kind of play with what you're trying to do, and you can try and put them in positions to try and get the same outcome, but it'll be different for like five different people, it's quite funny.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, yeah, it's good, man. But I think the the the time factor is like a massive one. Like that's that's obviously been my issue recently. Obviously, like sort of leaning more into like self-employment at the moment and kind of working on the on-demand like fitness stuff that I'm doing. Like the idea of going to the gym, like the round trip is like 45 minutes and then like an hour and a half class, of which I'm maybe only working for like 30-45 minutes, like getting a sweat on, where I could just hop out to the gym that I've got in my house, bash out a lot of weights, and then some hit training on the assault bike or something, and I feel like I'm getting more like physical benefit from it. So I think for people and for me, if I can pop to a jiu-jitsu gym, get like even 45 minutes hard work in and then go, and I'm there on the mats for maybe 45 minutes an hour, then that suits me a lot better.
SPEAKER_00:So yeah, no, I agree. And I think like if you I don't know, for like 90% of people that go to a gym, like they want to get better, obviously, but they're also they're they're there for a workout. Yeah, like people feel like your jujitsu will get better if you get fitter. There's no there's no way that someone who's fat and slow and can't move is going to be better than someone who's like fit and agile, but just doesn't work like a you feel better in yourself, you know. So you always benefit from like higher intensity sessions, you know. Obviously, you've got technique and things like that if if people are really like tech technique based, but I think if they're trying to like retain people and trying to keep people motivated and going there, like one of the best things is is is fitness and being active in the sessions and trying to work through stuff. I know like my S and C like abnormal has gone pretty much out the window. I'm only probably doing maximum of two sessions a week of like left in.
SPEAKER_02:Looking skinny, bro.
SPEAKER_00:But I don't feel like my strength's gone down too much. Like, even when I go back and do those sessions, I've I've I've lost a load of weight, but I'm not like any um not any weaker really. Yeah, but I think two's all you need for maintenance now. That's what I was about to say, yeah. So like, but sometimes I've not even been getting that in, like sometimes some weeks I'll get one in. But because I'm doing so much jujitsu, yeah, um I'm I'm basically only doing it to like bulletproof my shoulders and my and my joints more so than to actually get much stronger. But I feel like because my my sessions during the day are are pretty intense at the moment, like we're doing like a lot of like uh like a lot of like uh specific rounds, um movement patterns, like things that'll make us like sweat basically. I don't I feel like I don't need to do too much in the gym outside, as in weights related. But if you're then if you're with someone who's uh doing like a load of technique and you're not able to get the rounds in, you're gonna have to hit the gym pretty hard. So it's like that trade-off, innit? You know, it's like you know, you you should you should still hit the gym, in my opinion. Like I'm doing myself a disservice, I think, by not hitting the gym like twice a week properly and like really giving it a good good go. But you can um, yeah, if if the sessions are like intense enough, you can definitely get enough out of it to keep yourself in good shape.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, yeah, definitely, mate. But yeah, I I spent years like back when I was competing, like in my sort of like late 20s, early 30s. I spent years, like probably about six, seven years when I was working in the old office job. I'd lift weights three times a week for half an hour. I'd do like a weighted circuit, and I had tons of energy back then. So I'd go up there and I'd just blast it like hard for 30 minutes, like basically a full body circuit, weighted, um, like like full body, upper body, lower body, a lot of body weight stuff, but also using weights as well. I did that three times a week, mate, for 30 minutes, and that's literally what I did for years. And I was a pretty good nick, mate. So you don't need a lot.
SPEAKER_00:Well, I do that with my clients all the time. I do like um like a circuit, but with like 30 on, 30 off. Yeah. So they gotta do like controlled reps, but not like they can, you know, their rep ranges for the first round will be like like maybe like 15 reps, and then as they get more fatigued, it just drops, but that's fine because as long as they're doing their maximum within the rep ranges, that's like that's what I focus on. But we can do like instead of what taking an hour in the session, we can do that in 30 minutes, 25 minutes, and you get the same workout out, yeah. You know, but it's even more intense, so it's probably better for you as well. So it's it's yeah, like spending hours in the gym is not needed anymore. It's not it's not needed, it's it's yeah, it's ridiculous. The data doesn't support it, yeah.
SPEAKER_02:No, yeah, I think it like depends, man. I think like um depending obviously what your if you're bodybuilding. We're talking jujitsu, yeah, for sure, man. And I think um likewise with jujitsu as well, often it comes down to like your time, and this is obviously my issue at the moment where I'm just so busy with stuff, I just haven't had the like just to get into the gym, it's just uh like a just a big chunk out of my day that I can't afford. And like going back to even the that how learn how people learn jujitsu, I think by drilling and all that stuff's fine. If like you've got time and you want to go in and you can chill out there for an hour, two hours, yeah, and you can tinker. And and I I do enjoy that when I'm time rich. I like problem solving, yeah. Just hanging around the bumming around the gym, just being in the environment, just working through shit, fucking around, it's great. But when you're busy, mate, you need to be in and out, and that that applies to both jiu-jitsu and the gym, I think.
SPEAKER_00:So yeah, no, I completely agree. Yeah, man. But yeah, I think like, yeah, I just I just I just feel that people need to I don't know. I I say to you all the time, like, about taking a bit of time for yourself, and it's it's hard, innit? But I think people need to um if they're feeling a bit low or a bit shit about the gym or about their jiu-jitsu, even like take the time out to be able to just an hour a day just to do it, you know. Uh the world isn't gonna end or it's not gonna stop. So I I believe that you should just take out. Time to just you know work on yourself, give yourself an hour. It's hard with kids and work and how busy you are and whatever else you're doing, but I think it's important to just have an hour a day for yourself or an hour and a half a day.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, no, you're right, man. Is it and the thing is, I think like when you're when you're kind of working and working on projects and on desk and stuff, it's like I'm the sort of person that I get into something I don't want to stop. But sometimes, like just working through, I'll just I'll end up like slowing down and I become less productive. I start procrastinating, start getting on the phone a little bit. And actually, I I know it is I'm like so many people where I sometimes don't practice what I preach, but I know for a fact that if I got up when I did some exercise, I'd re-energise myself, refocus, come back, and I'd I'd be far more productive.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, I find like by me, I I feel like you uh say I'll go jujitsu for two hours during the day, like it'd be way more convenient for me to not do that. Of course it would, but for me, it's like right, I've got the rest of the day to do whatever I need to do, you know. I'll get up early, I'll do what I need to do, I'll go jiu-jitsu for two hours, and those two hours are like my time, and everyone else can kind of get fucked, and I'll just enjoy it and and but by the time then I'm like had my dinner, it's one o'clock, say, and I'm like, all right, so now I need to like get back to work, and now I need to like focus on what I need to because I've wasted two hours at jiu-jitsu from work, you know what I mean? So that's what I think, and again, it's different for me because I'm able to choose the times that I work, but you know, if if you're able to do that, I'd say just just prioritize it, you know, prioritize yourself a little bit, you know. Because again, like not doing jujitsu and not working on yourself, you end up getting fat, depressed, you feel like shit, you know. You just gotta work through that and you'll feel better for it in the long run. And fuck what anyone else says if your missus giving you a stick or whatever, just ignore it.
SPEAKER_02:Just get divorced, mate. Just fucking ignore it. Or you could have a or you could have a nice open conversation about it, but uh just I'll just do it. Yeah, mate, it's all good. How long have we been going for? I've lost track.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, five minutes. It's good.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, decent. Why haven't we got any guests today, mate? What's going on?
SPEAKER_00:Well, mate, every every couple of weeks we're gonna start doing our own and we so we're gonna you're gonna listen to us a little bit more, talk about uh loads of different topics that we got planned. Um we're still gonna have guests, obviously, and it's still gonna be guest oriented, but I think um we're getting a lot of questions asking about our own jujitsu journeys and about us personally. So um, yeah, you'll hear our retarded in insights into uh into jujitsu and and our you know fitness and health advice as well.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, man, and I think as well, you know, it's it's great talking to different athletes and jujitsu people, but you know, we're both very experienced, very qualified, you know, sort of fitness coaches, strength coaches, SNC coaches, whatever you want to call us, PTs. And we want to start providing a bit more value as well and talking about you know, sort of stuff that people can apply and use to improve their jujitsu, keep them on the mats longer, avoid injuries. So we'll definitely won't just be chatting shit, we'll weave in a little bit of uh helpful information as well, talking about different topics. So yeah, it should be good. But I think we're gonna um yeah, probably get this one out and then we'll look at getting a guest on. We'll probably alternate. So uh, so yeah, probably uh we've got a couple of people we're chatting to. Um we'll get them on probably soon. And then yeah, we'll do that. Yeah, nice.
SPEAKER_00:All right, all right. Until next time.
SPEAKER_02:Alright, see ya
